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I waddled onto the beach and stole found a computer to use.

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Picking specific subreddits is my preferred method as well. It takes time and effort, but it has a better impact.

The biggest selling point to most users might be having an official backup community.

  • Reddit goes down? Check for updates here
  • Reddit does something you don't like? Move here

The problem I've faced is that even if the subreddit wants to build up a community here, users eventually stop posting if no one from their original community is seeing the content. I still post on Lemmy fairly often, but I don't post anything (expect big announcements) to !ubc for example.

However, I think a mirroring tool has a good chance of solving that issue. We've seen some mirroring projects pop up with different implementations, but I still think that it could help a lot if implemented correctly. My vision for what that involves consent at every level, otherwise it will run into the same issues as the previous ones:

  • During setup, the mods of BOTH the Lemmy community and the subreddit need to manually establish a connection. Both should have the ability to end the connection. I'm thinking a bot account on each side should do the trick.
  • Users should manually flag their post when they want the bot to mirror it. The tool should check if the OP of the post included a flag (ex. !mirrorMeBot or !mirrorBridge) either in the title, post body, or as a top comment. When triggered, the bot's counterpart in the other community will make the post, then post a link to that post as a reply to the first one.

This feels like the best way to get cross-pollination going. Users will be able to use the platform they prefer, while constantly having access (and being reminded of) the other community. There will be next to no downside for posting in Lemmy over Reddit. It would also be an easy first step to get the ball rolling on future collaborations.

Now the biggest issue here (and with any collaboration tbh) is malicious use of the tool. Having the tool be opt in could be a start, otherwise maybe account age / karma filters?

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Whereas in the modern era, we document so much that there's less of a reason to come visit?

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Interesting

What does the money go towards, since it's all online?

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Thank you, I didn't look carefully enough :)

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Well there are analog cameras

Also I agree that nearly every digital camera has to do some correction, and correcting for lighting / time of day makes our photos nicer. But the end goal should be a photo that looks as close to what we'd see naturally?

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Simply because there was no controversy on first place

To add on:

Most of the discussions I saw were highlighting the differences and discussing what the pros and cons were, so that users could make an informed decision when picking the instance to migrate to.

That's generally a good thing, as long as you don't harass others for what they want. There's a lot of different ways to do the fediverse

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Yea I've been using it more and more recently, although part of that is sites like Twitter or Reddit randomly hiding content

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If we were to rework how federation works between platforms, how would it be handled for things already in communication? Would existing instances be able to change it up easily?

There's so much we can improve, but I worry if some projects have already painted themselves into a corner. It's a pain to try and rebuild an existing community

Kinda like how you can't use the same domain name again

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Ah yea, I should have looked at the post first

I meant more so in a general sense, because from what I remember, Mastodon and Lemmy federation is a bit interesting. I think a community is treated like a user, which helps for some things but hurts for others

Eternity in fdroid is crazy good .

I didn't see any posts about it maybe there is but i didn't see any . Anyway eternity is a fork from reddit's infinity app . I tried it out it has really good features and great stability , polished look etc . I am still sticking with jerboa coz of minimalism but if anyone want a feature rich great open source , no ads ,...

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Yep! Eternity is one of the 3 I'm using / keeping an eye on

Other two being Boost & Connect

Scam Numbers - Reddit's (and possibly the internet's) largest scam number depository, now on Lemmy! (lemmy.zip)

With almost 40k subscribers on Reddit, r/ScamNumbers is one of the most useful online databases for tracking down scam phone numbers. Some use the information for awareness, while others take advantage by prank calling scammers to waste their time....

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Welcome! Consider sharing on !communityPromo

Also these are a universal links and they makes it easier for people to subscribe from other instances

  • !scamnumbers (simplest, but some apps don't support it)
  • link (more complicated and requires someone to be on Lemmy when viewing the link)

Otherwise people can use something like the instance assistant browser extension

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I'm working with a few subreddits and their Lemmy equivalents, and I'd strongly recommend against this approach. As people have said, it sounds spammy and it would make the mods more suspicious of the Fediverse when someone comes along to actually try and work on stuff with them

It's better to have this happen organically, but if you want to plan it out, what I'd recommend is work with one or two subreddit(s) you're familiar with. Also know that you might have to take on the majority of the setup and moderation initially. When reaching out, be specific about the needs of the subreddit and why the Lemmy community might help the community, and be cool with them saying no.

Different ways it might look:

  • copy in the subreddit rules (when it makes sense) and add mods from the sub, then let them run with it
  • copy in the rules and have it be an official relationship between the communities where each just recommends the other

There's no script because each time I reached out the situation was different. I can write up more on what's worked well for me but that's the gist of it

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Agreed, so you're welcome to take initiative! More just don't send a boilerplate message around everywhere :)

I appreciate that you're working on building things up. That's how we make the fediverse better for everyone

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I think there's less risk of name grabbing with so many instances, and the admins understand the issue and will likely step in if there's a problem. It happened a few times during the migration and it got fixed after

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People are people

I don't think the problems on Reddit are because of the people on it, but the structure of the platform itself

Whenever the AT protocol of BlueSky is set for others to deploy, won't it have similar problems as ActivityPub instances?

I feel like I may be missing something when it comes to BlueSky, or maybe both I and those trying it out are but in different ways. My understanding is that BlueSky is currently like the Mastodon Social instance is for Mastodon but of the AT Protocol under development, with the long term aim being that once their protocol is...

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A friend was asking about reading materials for the fediverse, specifically around how different platforms are handling instance selection. I'm taking a look through your past blog posts, but would you have any links handy for me to pass along?

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Yes that's it, and no worries! Looking forward to the future articles

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Yea I don't really contact a company unless someone on a forum specifically says that's the best way to resolve the issue (ex. Account authentication related bugs). Either that or it's specifically related to my purchase

Pretty sure that's the case for my less tech-savvy friends and family too

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I actually swapped from Sync to Boost but it's likely a matter of what you're used to. I used Boost on Reddit so everything is familiar. For what it's worth, I think Sync & Connect are also great options

I appreciate all the devs on here! I wouldn't be using Lemmy this much without them

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Cool!

Alternate link because some apps don't support those links yet: LINK

Also considering promoting the community on !communitypromo

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I think both things are valid points, but it's worded in a weird way

A more explicit pro/con would have been better

No big corporation that controls everything

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We really need better visualization tools for who is federated with what. Meta is just one large / recognizable company to pop into the fediverse. Others will move in over time, and if instances choose to do something like this (defed from any instance that didn't also defed), then it's going to be a complete mess trying to figure out who is federated with what. Those smaller defederated instances will need to be extra clear about who they are federated with and why, otherwise people will avoid them.

I personally think this is a bad choice to make, but instances are free to do as they please.

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It might also help with the whole verification mess.

officialgucci@example.com looks fake

main@gucci.com is clearly legitimate, as is anything else a company might want to do (ex. ronald@mcdonalds.com)

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I usually ask the GPT, then look up the topic myself based on terms and keywords that were mentioned

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What are some other communities that are less used now? WritingPrompts and PhotoshopBattles come to mind for me

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Yea that's what I was thinking

"What's the weather like"

Searching the web for "Whats the weather like" [⬜⬜🔳🔳🔳]

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Cool! How does it work?

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Cool, that makes sense. I dont think there's a way to search all of any federated system.

I wonder if searching for more content from a particular smaller instance makes it more likely to show up

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Ehh

There's a clear difference between accepting money from an entity and letting it control things and make decisions. Pushing for a full and clear separation from any potential conflict of interest (while noble) is how projects die.

I'd love for Firefox to be fully funded through small anonymous public donations in an ideal world. As it is, I don't see an issue from taking Google's money to do something that most users would want anyways.

If the default search wasn't google, I'm certain even more users would bail on Firefox. Anyone who does want an alternative search engine is capable of clicking on it during installation.

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It works for me, as well as family members who aren't as technical / don't care about why I picked Firefox

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I'd also extend it to mental and psychological state

We may feel guilty about feelings and choices that are normal and common. We only see the actions of other people and we only hear what they say out loud. We know how we feel deep inside but we aren't privy to that level of insight for other people.

We might feel that we are better or worse than other people as a result, when in reality we're likely similar

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Yep, articles have different audiences.

Sure one group might understand why a tool exists and use it effectively, but there are also companies over-selling their capabilities and people are using it for things it doesn't help with.

This article is for them, simple as that

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Sounds fun!

If you make a sample post it might help, I'm a bit unsure what it should look like

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Ah ok, I think they haven't federated over for me. I'll keep an eye out for more :)

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I think what they're saying is that we're beating step 1 to death. Do that enough and people start ignoring the articles. If all the articles are saying the same thing, it's not adding much to the discussion.

This article WAS a bit different though. It's suggesting how the plan isn't limited to microblogging or Mastodon but the fediverse as a whole, and what the process could look like

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I skimmed the article and it was a bit different from the usual "here's the definition of EEE and what I copied from the history section of the wiki page"

I agree we need less of the above though

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That link has trackers by the way (I'm guessing it was generated like that)

I think this should be the cleaned URL

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B098WQRGNQ

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For sure! I use URLCheck from fdroid, it works pretty well

On desktop I think it's CleanURL

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I might have missed it, but what are the good platforms right now? I haven't tried many yet

I assume faceplant in the article is referring to Facebook events? I'd love to get people moved off of those

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You're free to feel how you want to feel, but it's worth talking about how this might affect existing and future development for the fediverse

Large corporations have a knack for getting around (or straight up ignoring) restrictions that stop others. Just look at how they profit from existing licensed content, and pay a tiny fee when someone finally wins a legal case against them. I think the commenter above is also saying that it would suck if a change kills off smaller dev projects and makes it so only giant corporations can do it.

Not that this is the wrong idea, just that it's worth thinking about. On top of ads, other areas licensing may help with are privacy and use in training data for LLMs

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There are some great replies here

I think it's also worth putting in extra effort to educate users so they know early and not when they're expecting otherwise. The system has a benefit, and it'll be smoother if users aren't surprised

Data deletion and public vote records are the two big things that come to mind

YSK: Do You Really Need That Antibiotic? It’s antibiotic season. Brush up on how you should use them — and when to avoid them. (NYT, Dec 2023) (www.nytimes.com)

It's refreshing to see a major news outlet discussing collateral damage and not just resistance. Over the past decade, 99% of the time antibiotic overuse is covered and warned about it's always only in regards to resistance....

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Thanks :) I'll try to get to it next time I'm on desktop

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